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Post  DaveB on Sun 17 Dec 2017, 15:18

Hard to say after one viewing but I’m leaning towards preferring Last Jedi to Force Awakens but there really isn’t much in it.

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Post  Ste on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 08:58

DaveB wrote:Hard to say after one viewing but I’m leaning towards preferring Last Jedi to Force Awakens but there really isn’t much in it.

Same, I think Last Jedi is better than TFA, mainly because it felt more of an original story compared to New Hope 2.0 aka The Force Awakens. It was by no means perfect though. Overall I had a lot of fun watching it, but thought they could have slimmed it down by 15 minutes or so and the film would be no worse for it.

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Post  Kes on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 09:48

I thought it majorly sucked. Can't understand why anyone likes it at all
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Post  Ianm on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 09:53

Kes wrote:I thought it majorly sucked. Can't understand why anyone likes it at all
I wouldn't go quite that far but I agree it was a bit rubbish. I left feeling underwhelmed and wanting my money back. My overall rating would be "ok if you want to waste 2 and half hours of time"
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Post  AntW on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 10:22

In Short, the good parts was really good, but the bad parts was really unredeemabley bad... Might need to watch it a second time.

There was one part in particular.
Spoiler:
Leia's little magic space walk.. Super dumb..totally ruined the movie... Shes dead, why have the whole oh no shes dead but wait, shes not... When they 100% have to kill her off between this film and the next?

Rey and Ren we're the highlight of the movie, seeing them develop was great. But movie was too long..

Super Spoiler: Random Thoughts:


  • Practically the whole first hour could have gone with no change..
  • Why when Poe showed up in a single fighter, did any of the many star destroyers not just launch their fleet and annihilate him? Then in the ensuing space battle, none of the other star destroyers engage and just sat while their dreadnought got blown up? Or did I miss something?
  • Casino Jumaji Escape was horrible. Film was doing so well to avoid CGI animals, and then that...
  • "Now its worth it" line was pure cringy garbage..
  • Benicio del toro did great with his the 3 or 4 lines he had.
  • Fucking Space Leia...
  • Hyperspace bit was cool looking, but cant help but think why wasn't that the whole plan to start with..
  • How did DJ even know about the plan to launch the small ships? And Finn seemed to know too?
  • Really liked how Poe kept trying to be heroic and it just failed at every time. But why didn't the purpled haired lady just tell him we're going to this planet, they cant see the small ships?
  • Snoke. So many questions.... He was so powerful in the force he could force Hux to the ground from another ship.. I hope we get to see his past, how can he be so powerful and yet no-one knows about him? His death was too soon, but I think I liked how it happened.
  • The manipulation by snoke was cool, nice to see other force powers like the linking too.
  • The fight with the royal guards was great! Very dirty and visceral, how I would expect lightsaber fights to have actually gone, vs the prequel's slow-paced duels
  • Why did they land the Ram Cannon so far back it was out of range?
  • Poe peeling off instead of being heroic was a nice development for his character.
  • It was the right time for Finn to sacrifice himself, but his side-chick couldn't bare being alone anymore, so she had to stop him saving everyone.
  • Good job it didn't matter, cause the "Crystal Critters" saved the day! Good job the FO parked so far away they had plenty of time to escape!
  • Final Fight with Luke vs Kylo, not a fan. Was very obvious to me he wasn't really there, and he would die doing it. With Kylo mentioning "cant be that, you'd die" comment the first time they force link, the Random "Its salt" comment, and the multiple closeups of their feet..
  • Fucking stupid looking penguin things, Blue Milk from the alien cows.. lol.
  • Why was Luke living on an island that was basically Amish toad in the hall.
  • What was with the Super Dark side evil anus hole, that amounted to absolutely nothing? Was expecting Rey to have to something when she fell in.. fighting her inner demons maybe?
  • That said, the mirror thing was cool and freaky, even if it was a bit like that magic mirror from harry potter.
  • Broomkid? That was a weird end scene. It bugged me his secret hidden rebel code ring was open so everyone would be able to see he is a Rebel.
  • 10 People plus broomkid vs the entire First Order, seems unlikely to go anywhere..

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Re: The Movie Thread

Post  Lizzy on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 11:31

I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.
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Post  Aneurin on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 12:01

Lizzy wrote:I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.

That's a twist right?
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Re: The Movie Thread

Post  Aneurin on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 13:27

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AntW wrote:Leia's little magic space walk.. Super dumb..totally ruined the movie... Shes dead, why have the whole oh no shes dead but wait, shes not... When they 100% have to kill her off between this film and the next?

I thought this but hazard a guess this was all written before Carrie's untimely demise and if you think about the film Leia is pretty much in every scene and is a pivotal player... it would have been a massive reshoot of pretty much the entire film. No Luke/Leia homage. Tbh I'm more worried about IX. It seems pretty obvious that Leia was meant to help train Rey - rebuild her lightsabre etc... now what will they do? Going to be a massive discontinuity unless they use CGI which they have said they won't. Recast Leia?



AntW wrote:
Rey and Ren we're the highlight of the movie, seeing them develop was great. But movie was too long..
The Length did not bother me at all - and I sat through 2.5 hours of the Force Awakens before it...

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[*]Practically the whole first hour could have gone with no change..

It set up Rose's Arc and helped developed Poe into more of a gung-ho character disliked by his superiors.

[*]Why when Poe showed up in a single fighter, did any of the many star destroyers not just launch their fleet and annihilate him? Then in the ensuing space battle, none of the other star destroyers engage and just sat while their dreadnought got blown up? Or did I miss something?

I guess this was the point of the Super booster thing he had fitted - did he not speed through the TIEs? In my opinion this was the more forgivable of the First Order appalling battle strategies. Why not Hyperspace a destroyer in front of the fleeing rebel cruiser?

[*]Casino Jumaji Escape was horrible. Film was doing so well to avoid CGI animals, and then that...

Agreed - horrid prequel stuff. I wanted to see more of the Casino. I liked the Lords of War premise of this act but the horse racing just ruined the entire act.  

[*]"Now its worth it" line was pure cringy garbage..

I don't remember this line... I hated the Hux/Poe comedy the most. Just not needed that soon after the brilliant Luke tossing the sabre scene. The Hux and most of the Porg jokes felt really forced. If you excuse the pun.

[*]Benicio del toro did great with his the 3 or 4 lines he had.

Agree. Hopefully he will be back to help the rebels... like Lando!

[*]Fucking Space Leia...

Yeah - it was silly. I was actually thinking - wow - they just killed Leia... impressive... and then she did that. But as I said above - she was integral to the rest of the story so can see why it was kept in. What annoyed me more - no-one is bothered that Ackar kicked the bucket in that very same scene. Admiral Akbar... didn't even get to shout ... 'It's a ....' before they ejected him into space.

[*]Hyperspace bit was cool looking, but cant help but think why wasn't that the whole plan to start with..

Yeah it looked cool - but its a bit Star Trek planetary beaming to me... if ships can hyperspace through things... why not just hyperspace through the Death Star or Star Killer base... would have saved a few lives in the process... great visual but silly story telling.

[*]How did DJ even know about the plan to launch the small ships? And Finn seemed to know too?

Didn't pick this up... guess communication with Poe?

[*]Really liked how Poe kept trying to be heroic and it just failed at every time. But why didn't the purpled haired lady just tell him we're going to this planet, they cant see the small ships?

I'm guessing they were pushing his need to run into trouble not away from it. Admittedly weak but at least something. A rebel in the Rebellion that the resistance don't like Wink

[*]Snoke. So many questions.... He was so powerful in the force he could force Hux to the ground from another ship.. I hope we get to see his past, how can he be so powerful and yet no-one knows about him? His death was too soon, but I think I liked how it happened.

Yes - the last Jedi's twist was that there was no twist. It feels like I want to know the story that happened before this latest trilogy. I never felt that with 4-6... but then we got it. Strange story telling. During the whole film nothing much happens to advance the story of this new generation... other than... we cant rely on the old school to teach us... I wanted more...  

[*]The manipulation by snoke was cool, nice to see other force powers like the linking too.

I need to watch his scenes again for sure. Think there is some things I missed... was I meant to think Kylo was being redeemed when really he is just a evil son of a bitch wanting to rule the galaxy where Vader failed? And he was the one manipulating Snoke and Rey? Because all his scenes after the cool fight seem to suggest that.

[*]The fight with the royal guards was great! Very dirty and visceral, how I would expect lightsaber fights to have actually gone, vs the prequel's slow-paced duels

Yeah I want to watch that bit again.

[*]Why did they land the Ram Cannon so far back it was out of range?

Planetary shields - see ESB.

[*]Poe peeling off instead of being heroic was a nice development for his character.

What do you mean?

[*]It was the right time for Finn to sacrifice himself, but his side-chick couldn't bare being alone anymore, so she had to stop him saving everyone.

Another fake death to add to the increasing number... This growing lazy story telling/emotion pulling really annoyed me about the film...

[*]Good job it didn't matter, cause the "Crystal Critters" saved the day! Good job the FO parked so far away they had plenty of time to escape!

See ESB - no different. Less critters... but it gave the nod to - the force is more than lifting rocks...

[*]Final Fight with Luke vs Kylo, not a fan. Was very obvious to me he wasn't really there, and he would die doing it. With Kylo mentioning "cant be that, you'd die" comment the first time they force link, the Random "Its salt" comment, and the multiple closeups of their feet..

Yeah I picked up the feet - but I thought that Luke was already dead and would have been a ghost throughout - not that he was force projecting and it would kill him. I was fine with it... but so many key characters died or almost died it did lose some emotion for me. Presume he will be back as a ghost now...

[*]Fucking stupid looking penguin things, Blue Milk from the alien cows.. lol.

Yes too much comedy... the lightsabre toss was enough.

[*]Why was Luke living on an island that was basically Amish toad in the hall.

To milk space walus'. Its that blue milk upbringing on Tatooine.

[*]What was with the Super Dark side evil anus hole, that amounted to absolutely nothing? Was expecting Rey to have to something when she fell in.. fighting her inner demons maybe?

Just another 'cave'. No different to ESB.

[*]That said, the mirror thing was cool and freaky, even if it was a bit like that magic mirror from harry potter.

Yes - need to watch that more to appreciate it.

[*]Broomkid? That was a weird end scene. It bugged me his secret hidden rebel code ring was open so everyone would be able to see he is a Rebel.

He was given that by Rose - didn't he open it in that scene? Silly prequel level stuff... please no kids.

[*]10 People plus broomkid vs the entire First Order, seems unlikely to go anywhere..

Don't forget the allies... in the outer rim... bring back the Hutts

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Re: The Movie Thread

Post  Lizzy on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 15:51

Aneurin wrote:
Lizzy wrote:I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.

That's a twist right?

I wasn't expecting it tbh! I expected it to at least make sense.

Super Spoiler:

[*]In my opinion this was the more forgivable of the First Order appalling battle strategies. Why not Hyperspace a destroyer in front of the fleeing rebel cruiser?

This is my main issue with the whole film. It made no sense whatsoever.

[*]Hyperspace bit was cool looking, but cant help but think why wasn't that the whole plan to start with..

Yeah it looked cool - but its a bit Star Trek planetary beaming to me... if ships can hyperspace through things... why not just hyperspace through the Death Star or Star Killer base... would have saved a few lives in the process... great visual but silly story telling.

This too. Why did it destroy the rest of the fleet? Why didn't they do it with the other two ships? Why don't they just build unmaned probes with hyperspace engines and use them as weapons? etc etc etc

[*]How did DJ even know about the plan to launch the small ships? And Finn seemed to know too?

Didn't pick this up... guess communication with Poe?

It took Gary and I a while to figure this out, but Poe does tell Finn the plan over a walkie talkie and DJ must overhear. So purple hair lady was right not to tell Poe the plan as he messes it up, but if she'd told him in the first place then they wouldn't have bothered with any of the casino side quest anyway...
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Post  DaveB on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 16:33

Spoiler spoiler there are spoilers here:

So I'm really not looking at getting into an argument about the film but I can offer a few points...

if ships can hyperspace through things... why not just hyperspace through the Death Star or Star Killer base... would have saved a few lives in the process... great visual but silly story telling.

It's established pretty early on (in A New Hope!) that objects in Hyperspace can interact with objects in "normal" space:

"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

And one could easily point out that a cash-strapped rebellion can't really afford to turn their one big ship into a mobile battering ram - of course that's no explanation as to why they didn't try that with the other ships shortly before they ran out of juice... Or why the giant ship's shields didn't black it... unless they want to trot out that fractional refresh rate bollocks from TFA

I can certainly see that being a pretty effective tactic though - large projectile impacting at greater than lightspeed will carry a lot of inertia...

So the real question is why neither side had been using such tactics already?

Oh and regarding Akbar - apparently he was killed off without saying anything as the voice actor died... last year I think - certainly since his cameo in TFA

My main issues with the film were:
  1. A lot of the humour felt forced and unnecessary. I particularly didn't like Hux the Space Hitler being turned into a member of the Three Stooges, but a lot of the humor was just too much IMHO
  2. Leia's space.... thing? As far as I know all this stuff was intentional, filmed before her untimely passing and certainly wouldn't have been easy to film around as Aneurin said, but it was just... silly. I would honestly have preferred that was how Leia went out. The already established she had at least a subconscious connection to the force, that was enough IMHO - what she did was just.... silly.
  3. Finn's side quest was just pointless - it felt pretty much like it had been tacked on to give him *something* to do in the film.


But ultimately, I really enjoyed the film despite its flaws - what was good was *really* good and what was bad really didn't bother me that much.

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Post  Lizzy on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 16:48

Seems to me like everyone agrees about all the ways the film was terrible. Just some people enjoyed it anyway and others didn't
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Post  Ianm on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:03

Yeah. Mixed feelings. I am curious about the other jedi trainees that left with Kylie.
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Post  Ianm on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:04

Meant to say kylo but think I will stick with Kylie
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Post  Aneurin on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:06

Ianm wrote:Meant to say kylo  but think I will stick with Kylie

I guess that's the problem - the story before this current one seems like it would be a better story. Never felt that about the original trilogy. Never needed to know how Vader became himself... or how the emporoer came to power because the story that was presented held its own.
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Post  Ianm on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:32

Yup. Shit script writing
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Post  SamVS on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 22:17

I can't really sum up this movie. I can only think of it as an enormous jumble of specific things I liked and specific things I did not. You can see a lot of hands trying to make their impression on this one. Things it did well in one scene it would do badly in the next, from conversations to CGI to enviroments. I found the intro to be a high point, but the next hour or so was a real slog. I don't think the film quite managed to fully pull itself out by the end, but there were certainly moments of brilliance. These were some of the things that had stuck in my mind a day after seeing it:

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I thought it was about one third amazing, then there was Finn's story, which was dire, and Poe's story, which wasn't very good either. I want someone to edit it down to 1 hour or so.
I quite liked Luke. He's not a boring wise mentor character. He's got a dark streak, which he did in the original films too. He's still trying to figure some things out, had dilemmas, like the tree, like what to do about Kylo, so he was more interesting than I expected him to be, and I actually thought killing him off was a bit of a waste. Before watching the movie I wouldn't have cared one way or another about him dying... It is the cliche for the mentor characters, so it would have been nice if Luke was different.
Luke walking in on Rey and Kylo was some genuine drama. Rey and Kylo in Snoke's chamber was another great scene. Rey was a tad more interesting to me this time around than in TFA.
If everyone is connected in these films, if Rey was a Skywalker for example, it just makes the world feel small and contrived. So I'm glad that wasn't the case. But there WAS a lame reveal. They spend time to lead to the moment she works it out. I like the idea, don't like how it was executed.
The endless line of clicking. I love when movies get weird, but not pointlessly weird.
Some of the cartoony diversations were straight up prequels level of silliness. The gambling alien and opera alien annoyed me
The whole casino sequence should have been cut, burnt, and exorcised.
The plan was: we can escape if we get into Snoke's ship. We can get into their ship if we find the "master codebreaker" (cheesy even for Star Wars). They set up nested fetch quests for an outcome that wasn't even interesting. I couldn't believe they were so unapologetically bloating the movie.
The final conflict wasn't a victory or a loss for either side. That's part of what made it flat. Just a kind of draw and disengagement. "Come back in two years"
"The spark that will relight the rebellion" That is SUCH a nebulous stake. I don't really care if Leia dies.
The kids were the only people the the GALAXY who seemed to care about the resistance. They asked for help and none of their allies responded. Like, nobody actually cares about what the resistance is fighting for.
At the end, the resistance is made up of about ten people, the first order is led by one angry kid and one joke character... This does not leave me hyped for the next movie.
I hate porgs.

Some more thoughts from today:

Spoiler:
Almost all of the film had beautiful enviroments and effects. But it also had a lot of rubbish, expository, inorganic dialogue. And there are some maddening plot bits. One I haven't seen mentioned above is Finn demanding that DJ give the medallion back, because it means a lot to Rose. What, more than the entire rebellion fleet? Ridiculous. The flow of time is consistently nonsense — that one that stands out to me is how they come back to the part where Finn and Rose get captured three times (I think), over about twenty minutes, and each time the scene had progressed by a few seconds. I bloody hated that hologram bit with Maz. But then there are still so many bits that were as lovely as a warm hug, like when Rey ignites a lightsaber into the face of one of Snoke's elite guard. Kylo force pulling a lightsaber into Rey's hand. That whole fight, actually. Yoda cackling after burning down the tree of jedi. The red smoke trails on the background of white salt on the mining planet. Luke and Rey's training, and Rey and Kylo's long distance debates. New spaceships. The kid holding his lightsaber broom in the last shot.

I just can't sum up this film. It's a bloody mess. I sincerely never want to see at least half of it ever again. I was actually sitting bored in the cinema for an hour. But there is the rest. Frustrating one, this.
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Post  SamVS on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 01:22

Black Panther is pretty good:


  • All the major supporting characters, friends and villians, have a ton of personality and charisma. Klaw and Shuri are my favourites. T'Challa himself is kind of boring though — a pretty passive hero most of the time.

  • The enviroments and costumes are better than anything Marvel has done before. They're vibrant, detailed and original, and really drew me into this fictional, afro-futurepunk culture. The image generally looks somehow richer that other blockbusters, too. A really attractive movie... except when it gets CGI heavy. Most scenes with T'Challa suited up look pretty bad. This just exacerbates the biggest problem with the film, which is...

  • The black panther suit really is the most boring superpower yet put to screen. It's just a magic costume that comes out of his arse and activates god-mode. Most scenes with the black panther might as well be video of a plastic action figure knocking over rag dolls. Then he has his purple energy fart, that knocks out eveyone nearby, just to make sure there is no possibility of an interesting or tense fight while he is in costume.

    Thankfully, most of the film is not really about this, but it really drags down the final act.

Felt the same as with Wonder Woman: really good, until near the end, then it sucks.

Also, if this movie had a theme or a message, please explain to me what it was.
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Post  Kes on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 08:15

Agree Sam, good movie but still some glaring issues.
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